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Is Tony Romo the New Danny White?
The day the C'Boys signed him as their long term QB, I had a feeling that Tony Romo was the second coming of Danny White!
 Now Danny wasn't a horrible QB, it was just that Tom Landry had too much faith in him & stuck with him too long, costing Dallas a couple possible SB appearances in the early 80's...I feel that Romo is the same...Dallas ownership & Garrett fell in love with Romo & can't see that this guy isn't the "Field General" that they need to take them the "show"!
 This is the same type of situation the Bills found themselves in during their runs i the late 70's when they had an amazing defence, offensive receivers, backs...but they had Joe Ferguson at QB. He couldn't get them there then, White couldn't lead the C'boys to it...& most definitely Tony Romo will never take them there either!
 This years NFC east is ripe for a surprise contender! There is to much hype around Philly... NYG's Eli Manning has stated that he's among the "Elite" of the leagues QB's wanting to be in the same group as his Bro & Brady (this is almost as bad as having the "Madden" curse)...Washington's Rex Grossman has said that he feels his team can win the division (LOL)...so does a good run by Romo, justify Dallas' confidence? Does he need to make it to the SB this year to keep his job? Or does Dallas do as it did with Danny White & spend another 10 yrs in the wilderness...
Posted Aug 20th 2011 10:20AM
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One of my best friends is a huge Dallas Cowboys fan, I know I need new friends, and we were talking about what Jerry should do for the future (neither of us have any faith in Romo) but we couldn't really come up with a solution. The problem is that if they trade up for a draft pick or trade for a young guy, they'll take a step back in the first few years. They have that rare curse of having enough talent to get to the playoffs and maybe even win a game, but not the right qb and other pieces to go all the way. It's a weird spot to be in especially when thinking about a qb change. I think Romo will probably retire in Dallas, which is awesome because it means the Boys won't win a title for the next 6 years. 

We also discussed them trading for a back up like Matt Flynn, who seems to look pretty solid, and have him sit behind Romo then take over. I don't know what the answer Dallas' 15+ year drought is, but I know it's not Romo.
Posted Aug 24th 2011 2:55PM
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I don't know why everyone hates on Romo so much. Realistically what are your chances of getting a qb better than him? I know his playoff record is less than amazing, but look how long it took Peyton Manning to break through in the playoffs. You guys are wondering whether or not he can win a Super Bowl, but look around the league and you'll only find 6 guys who have been the signal caller of a championship team; Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger, Manning, Brees and Rodgers. I think Romo is a victim of overexposure. He's a Cowboy so: A) We always hear about him B) All the Cowboys haters, and there are millions including me, say he's garbage C) The delusional Cowboys fans think they should win a title every year, so they have to point fingers and pick a scape goat every year they don't, qb and head coach are the easiest to blame. Cowboys fans need to realize they have other deficiencies and Football is the ultimate team sport. Was Romo on the field when they completely quit against Green Bay last year? Lets be realist the Cowboys are just not good enough to win it all!
Posted Aug 24th 2011 3:27PM
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I think Romo is a good quarterback.  Can he lead the Cowboys to a Super Bowl?  I don't think he can lead the current team that far.  Can he lead a better team to a Super Bowl?  I think he possibly could, but he'd probably need a complete team (basically the defense would have to be one of the best in the league).  I think some of the criticism that Romo gets is unfair, but he's also played below the potential talent that many people believe he has (I believe he is at least capable of being a top ten quarterback).
Posted Aug 26th 2011 8:59PM
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I just can't put Romo in the top ten QB's...
In no particular order...
Ben Rothenburger
Payton Manning
Eli Manning
Michael Vick
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Philip Rivers
Matt Schaub
Joe Flacco
 Then you have Romo...none of these guys are/were avalible, but there still is...
Alex Smith (who needs a fresh start somewhere else than SF)
Carson Palmer (who I'm sure could be brought back from retirement)
And what were the C'boys doing when theTitans released Vince Young?
 Romo is too "white bread" or Don Cherry would say "vanilla ice-cream" & isn't a Franchise QB, the same as Danny White was...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/800334-dallas-cowboys-is-this-a-make-or-break-season-for-tony-romo
Posted Aug 26th 2011 11:57PM
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You don't have Tom Brady as a top ten quarterback?  How can I take your opinion on Romo seriously when you don't have Tom Brady in that post (haha just kidding, I am sure you just forgot).

I would more than likely put most of those guys over Romo, but I didn't say he's necessarily top ten right now.  I just said that he's got the potential to be there (probably somewhere between 6 & 10).  At the same time, I think some of the guys you listed are as or more overrated than Romo.  Alex Smith was never anywhere near as good as the others on that list, and he may be ruined already like Joey Harrington was after Detroit.  As good as I think Matt Schaub can be, I still don't think of him as an elite quarterback (maybe I am putting too much emphasis on his team's record though).  Joe Flacco has a really good arm, but he still hasn't done what Trent Dilfer was able to do in Baltimore (I know Dilfer wasn't the main reason that the Ravens won, but I think that hurts Flacco because he's better than Trent was).

The last one that I have to say is just as overrated as Romo, is Eli Manning.  I think Eli lives more off what his brother has done with the family name, then what he's actually done.  Plus I think his Super Bowl win adds to the undeserved credit that he gets.  I'll give him credit for something, he could have blown that game, but I wouldn't say that the Giants went as far as Eli took them.  I think the Giants' defense was the biggest factor in the game, and Eli really didn't do that much if you take away his miracle pass to David Tyree.  Do I think Eli should be rated higher than Romo?  I can't say it would be unfair to do so, but at the same time I don't think it's by that big a margin.
Posted Aug 27th 2011 1:21AM
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Dang...I thought I did put Tom on that list (LOL, well that just pushes Romo down another spot there, EH?)
 As the Tuna said, "don't fall in love with this guys yet". Remember Romo was just lucky enough to be in the right place @ the right time, I feel that if Alex Smith was put in the same possition as Romo, he would fulfill the expectations that he hasn't in SF.
 "IF" it weren't for Quincy Carter failing that drug test (that was illegal), Romo may never had made the squad in the first place.
 Sometimes a QB's lifespan is short, either due to health, in-ablity adapt or grow his game, I think Romo is one who's game has peaked, he can't grow it any futher, & next thing will be him getting injured regularly.
 It isn't just a "Romo" problem in Dallas either, too many coaching changes, some bad personal decisions, & a meddling owner that puts his ego over what's best for the team (the same way as Harold Ballard did with the Leafs)
 
 As for the Eli vs Tony...they can play see-saw with salaries & QB ratings, but in the end only one will have a ring & ask Dan Marino what would he have given up for one?
Posted Aug 27th 2011 10:05AM
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I think Flacco is overrated. I hate to use that word in this case because he is a good quarterback with a cannon, but I just feel like he'll never be one of the top 7-8 players on his own team, not if the Ravens continue to maintain this much talent anyway, and if he is your 3rd or 4th best player your team doesn't have a realistic title shot. Also, Carson Palmer is way overrated. He had that one good season with Chad Johnson(I refuse to call him Ochocinco) where he was injured in the opening round of the playoffs, but that's it.
Posted Aug 31st 2011 4:51PM
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I don't think Romo is as good as Eli Manning, but I'd say they're overall pretty comparable. Both of them make mistakes and throw illadvised picks, yet they also make pkays for their team. I just feel like Eli is more composed and gets less rattled in crunch time. We'll see this year though, it might be Tony's last as starting QB in Big D.

Oh and can be please stop judging a QB solely on Super Bowl wins?
Posted Aug 31st 2011 4:53PM
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I don't think that winning Super Bowls is what makes a quarterback great, but it is something that has to be taken into consideration.  I don't think that Dilfer winning one was the same as Tom Brady winning, but you have to consider Dilfer's contribution for what it was worth.
Posted Aug 31st 2011 9:24PM
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How's about we get back to the original question? ;op
So let's look at some stats (found on http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WhitDa01.htm)

Danny White vs Tony Romo career seasons                                                                                 yr        age   gs       rec     comp      att    comp%  yrds     tds     td%   int's                                   

1983     31   16      12-4-0  334     533     62.7     3980     29     5.4     23

2007     27   16      13-3-0  335     520     64.4     4211     36     6.9     19

 So Romo has a slight advantage...BUT remember there has been several changes in the rules that have made 4000 yd season a regular event in the "modern game" (8 of the top 10 QB's in '07 had 4000+ yrds, in '83 only Lynn Dickey (GB 4458 yrds) & Bill Kenney (?) (KC 4348 yrds) cracked it (Danny White was 3rd with 3980, Joe Montana was 4th, 3910 yrds).
 If you look at the roosters, Danny White has an over-all edge of weapons, even though Tony Romo had Terrell Owens WR & Jason Witten TE with Julius Jones & Marion Barber as RB's. Danny's selection of recievers (80 Tony Hill, 86 Butch Johnson, 88 Drew Pearson) with HoF'er Tony 'D' blastin' though the holes Newhouse & Newsome made for him (along with that nasty O'line) allowed Danny to spread the ball around more.  So this would make Tony Romo's career season slightly better than Danny's.
 If you look at their play-off records Danny White has more to go on (5-5 vs 1-3) this give him a large edge in this catagory.
Another note on Danny White, he could hold the ball for the kicker as well, he was a punter for the C'boys before he took over the QB possition. Tony Romo still can't live down that bobbled snap! Edge White...
 This puts them even atm...the last stat we've got to look at is the "ever famous" 4th Quarter comeback/Game winning drives.
 Danny's career was longer 12 yrs vs 7yrs for Tony (but only by one year as a QB, his first 4 yrs were as punter/kicker with DAL.)
 White's record was 12/16 vs Romo's  9/10...EGDE White

 This gives it to Danny White (for now)...Tony's has (I figure) 2 more yrs to show Dallas he can be more than just another..."Danny White"
Posted Sep 1st 2011 1:04AM
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It's really not fair to compare just by the numbers, like you said, but I really like the overall analysis. The game and rules have changed a lot, even in the past 10 years to make the NFL a more passer friendly league. If you compared Romo to Aikman, Romo's numbers would blow Aikman's away. Romo is going to pass Troy in just about every career category, he's only 47 tds behind him, but no one would pick Romo over Aikman. I also like how you looked at their teams as a whole. We often forget how much of a team sport football really is. In basketball a superstar can carry a team, but in the best case scenario Tom Brady can only play half of the game.
Posted Sep 1st 2011 12:58PM
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Well we can do another thread comparing Aikman, but I think it would be against Roger Staubach. They match up better as would their teams. I think it would be a blast to Madden 12 them a few times to see how it might have been, EH?! Tony D vs Emmett? D'Day Defence vs Tuinei, Newton, & Stepnoski?

 While it's more opinion than factual, it's always fun to compare apples to oranges!
Posted Sep 1st 2011 1:33PM
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The new guys will win out over the older guys in a Madden comparison for the most part. I love that Idea though, they would just have to tweak it a little bit for the older players and boost their attributes. Players weren't as fast, as big or as strong so in Madden you'd rather have someone like Reggie Bush than a guy like Eric Dickerson, which is obviously ridiculous. If they could find a way to translate the old time guys into today's game then that would be awesome.
Posted Sep 1st 2011 2:13PM
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